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Old 04-08-2008, 11:29 AM   #15 (permalink)
Preacherman
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In no way an I intending to tell you that Christianity and Jesus Christ is not the right path. I just believe that he is not the only path. That a path to goodness can be found without the help of any religion. It is more difficult to find the path on your own than to be a sheep lead blindly down someone else's path...... just my thoughts[/quote]

Right what I am saying is that we can't find a path to "goodness." We can be "morally stronger," as long as our circumstances say that our values are the moral ones. but we are far from selflessly loving...

I'm saying that people have problems. I have problems. I sin. I am capable of getting unproductively angry with my kids. Most people looking in from the outside think that I'm a wonderful person. BUT I know better. I know my weaknesses. I see all of me.

The Gospel message, the Good news says this-- There is something wrong with human kind. They sin...they all sin. They want to do good, but still crew up (ROmans 7), BUT Jesus came to earth lived a perfect life and provided a way for us to have access to grace. To be transformed. To have our sin put to death and be dealt with once and for all. Rev. 21 says

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

So that's the ultimate hope being with God, and being free from all the crap that resulsts from screwed up, but often good intentioned people.



Can I just ask what your path is? what makes sense to you and why do you pursue that rather than one of the established religions?


Another thing. I'm going to consistantly say that you are wrong and I am right, because I believe I am right. I don't mean to offend, I mean to persuade. I am commanded to love God with all my heart soul mind and strength, to love my neighbor as myself. I believe I am going to Heaven. And that unless you accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour you will go to Hell. Therefore for me to be loving I want to do all I can to help you see that which I see.

The reality is I'm supposed to love, but again even in that I fail. Most people that I see or interact with, (service people, people walking down the street, the guy who cuts me off) I don't really care about. Its easier for me to share my faith here than in real life. (I do that as well just not as brazenly) Again I see what I am called to and fall short. I know I'm supposed to be part of the solution, and I try. I really try. but I still somehow contribute to what is screwed up in this world. I need something more than I can muster. I need the power of God.
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