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nakamichi680zx · 02-29-2008, 03:56 PM

SniB:

My heart aches to see anyone with such a perception of the world. You are neither imperfect, nor is there any real death (just transitions of energy). So offing yourself neither adds nor detracts from the oneness of the Universe.

The question now may appear to be: so the world as you perceive it is not apparently to your "liking" and seems pointless. What does that mean to you?

You are a meaning-making-machine SniB and I put to you the following quote that I memorized from The Forum:

"Life is empty and meaningless. And it does not mean anything that it does not mean anything."

You have a choice each and every second of your imagined being; so spending time worrying about what everything means is not what you want to waste cycles on--giving it meaning wiil not change anything exterior to you by doing so.

What you want to do is adjust the window of your perception. YOU have the control over that mechanism; the size, shape, color, brightness and interpretation of what comes through that window. What you do with it is what becomes what you see.

It's HOW you see that creates WHAT you see.

At the risk of sounding Bhuddist (which I am not), I present for your consideration The Four Noble Truths:

Life means suffering.
The origin of suffering is attachment.
The cessation of suffering is attainable.
The path to the cessation of suffering.

And how to free yourself from the suffering in the The Noble Eightfold Path

Right View [Wisdom]
Right Intention [Wisdom]
Right Speech [Ethical Conduct]
Right Action [Ethical Conduct]
Right Livelihood [Ethical Conduct]
Right Effort [Mental Development]
Right Mindfulness [Mental Development]
Right Concentration [Mental Development]

Possibly the one thing you might be is so deep into this illusion that you cannot see that this is what it is.

Alternately, at the risk of sounding Christian (which I am almost certainly at this point not), there also is a list of 10 illusions that are listed in the Conversations with God book series (Each one builds off the other) which are actually very Zen-like in their logic and their source, so I use them here only to try and help free your mind. If you like, replace the word God with "the Universe".

God has an agenda. (need exists)
The outcome of life is in doubt. (failure exists)
You are separate from God. (disunity exists)
There is not enough. (insufficiency exists)
There is something you have to do. (requirement exists)
If you do not do it, you will punished. (judgment exists)
The punishment is everlasting damnation. (condemnation exists)
Love is, therefore, conditional. (conditionality exists)
Knowing and meeting the conditions renders you superior. (superiority exists)
You will not know that these are illusions. (ignorance exists)

I don't know if any of this has helped or will add something to your processing, but I hope that it will ease your mind some.

02-29-2008, 03:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
nakamichi680zx Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Collyfawnia ver Ahnold iss our Goverminator Posts: 39	SniB: My heart aches to see anyone with such a perception of the world. You are neither imperfect, nor is there any real death (just transitions of energy). So offing yourself neither adds nor detracts from the oneness of the Universe. The question now may appear to be: so the world as you perceive it is not apparently to your "liking" and seems pointless. What does that mean to you? You are a meaning-making-machine SniB and I put to you the following quote that I memorized from The Forum: "Life is empty and meaningless. And it does not mean anything that it does not mean anything." You have a choice each and every second of your imagined being; so spending time worrying about what everything means is not what you want to waste cycles on--giving it meaning wiil not change anything exterior to you by doing so. What you want to do is adjust the window of your perception. YOU have the control over that mechanism; the size, shape, color, brightness and interpretation of what comes through that window. What you do with it is what becomes what you see. It's HOW you see that creates WHAT you see. At the risk of sounding Bhuddist (which I am not), I present for your consideration The Four Noble Truths: Life means suffering. The origin of suffering is attachment. The cessation of suffering is attainable. The path to the cessation of suffering. And how to free yourself from the suffering in the The Noble Eightfold Path Right View [Wisdom] Right Intention [Wisdom] Right Speech [Ethical Conduct] Right Action [Ethical Conduct] Right Livelihood [Ethical Conduct] Right Effort [Mental Development] Right Mindfulness [Mental Development] Right Concentration [Mental Development] Possibly the one thing you might be is so deep into this illusion that you cannot see that this is what it is. Alternately, at the risk of sounding Christian (which I am almost certainly at this point not), there also is a list of 10 illusions that are listed in the Conversations with God book series (Each one builds off the other) which are actually very Zen-like in their logic and their source, so I use them here only to try and help free your mind. If you like, replace the word God with "the Universe". God has an agenda. (need exists) The outcome of life is in doubt. (failure exists) You are separate from God. (disunity exists) There is not enough. (insufficiency exists) There is something you have to do. (requirement exists) If you do not do it, you will punished. (judgment exists) The punishment is everlasting damnation. (condemnation exists) Love is, therefore, conditional. (conditionality exists) Knowing and meeting the conditions renders you superior. (superiority exists) You will not know that these are illusions. (ignorance exists) I don't know if any of this has helped or will add something to your processing, but I hope that it will ease your mind some. __________________ GrassHoppah: The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences.