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Originally Posted by Vinterland  Those are all very interesting questions and I ask if you have ever spoken to a believer such as a Christian who commonly experiences 'God' or believes they do? |
Yes, I've spoken to many such people. All I can say is that people's experiences of God are different. My dad has had a stronger sense of God or the Holy Spirit as he has aged. To him, its more of a feeling of a presence and an inherent goodness. He was an agnostic earlier in life and is an extremely intellectual and grounded person, but this experience obviously defies his intellect. In many ways, like AB, he still is agnostic because he endlessly questions everything including his experiences of God.
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I think that experiences in general, not just thoise of faith, are harder to explain like what feeling arises in me from listening to Frederic Chopin's Mazurkas. I 'know' the feeling, yet find it hard to explain with words what they do to elevate my mind.
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I agree. Its experiences in general.
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I don't think any experiences, regardless of being illogical or logical are ineffable and it just takes a more effort to come to understanding the shared experience.
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I've had some experiences that for all practical purposes were ineffable. I could try to explain them, but I doubt I would be able to describe them in a way that you would understand to any great degree. However, if I was talking to someone of a shared experience, then we might start developing a shared language. If you look to the mystical traditions, people have been developing a shared language of strange experiences for thousands of years.