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Originally Posted by Vinterland So, isn't faith a word for the phrase "bad use of logic"? It seems to me that every statement of faith uses logic as a tool to come to those conclusions so that there's no such thing as a belief that is devoid of logic...exception being certain people with cognitive deficencies. | I have trouble telling faith and belief apart.
"I have faith the sun will come up tomorrow morning" ..... god will make it so
"I believe the sun will come up tomorrow morning" ..... the astronomers have got it right and the sun won't go supernova for a while yet.
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is faith putting belief in god's hands? |
depends on the context. Belief is commonly used synonymous with faith, but as I defined, and as many dictionaries do as well such as
www.m-w.com , belief is a 'truth' to any level of conviction, that is based upon evidence. Using the term in this context is correct:
"I believe evolution is true based on evidence"
as it is in this: "I believe in God based on evidence".
The difference is context I believe, but what I recently noticed (and what I brought up to Marmalade as a question) is that it appears to me that both statements are made by use of logic. The former is obvious because of the overhwelming evidence for evolution, but the latter statement uses logic to identify terms and reach conclusions that although are loigically unsound, are not distinct from logic. So this has me confused because I very often see theists claim that faith is a seperate entity from logic, that it is a completey different method to attaining 'knowledge' and then often will cite the limits of logic. However, examing this 'statement of faith', "I believe in God because I experienced him" is something made by logic. The person has used logic to define God and also to rationalise an experience to the extent that they have formed a belief. Do you see faith as completely seperated from logic?