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Originally Posted by shaun  NC, your Protagorean philosophy simply doesn't work, though. Socrates showed it a flawed argument a long time ago:
- In your definition of relative truth, truth is relative not just to man but to any sentient being.
- Therefore you are no more of an authority about the nature of truth than is any other man or sentient being.
- If everyone is equally right about what is true, then no one is ever either ignorant or mistaken in their opinions.
- I believe that you completely wrong and in error. I think that your philosophy of relativism is false in all accounts.
- Therefore, you must grant that my belief is true. |
Ok how could I not respond to this, lol. Wow, I'm at odds with Socrates? If anything I'll take that as a compliment. Your first statements assume "authority", "nature of truth", and "truth" itself, in the absolute sense. If you're starting on the assumption of relative truth as you claim, stick to the logical conclusions that you can logically arrive at, thus you can't deem me completely wrong and in error.
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Originally Posted by shaun NC, You cannot win any argument, ever, because you are no more of an authority than anyone else. All views are worthless according to relativism, since no view holds any legitimate weight above another. Truth is pointless. Opinion is everything. |
Once again, I'm lauging, because you're still assuming I'm trying to "win" in the absolute sense. I'm expressing my view, but do refer to it as an "argument" due in part to my own bias toward absolute truth. No matter how hard I try to distance myself from such a bias, I was environmentally brought up that way. The conclusion you effectively reach in your above paragraph is "All views are worthless," which isn't true, my view is worth something to me, and your to you obviously. But even further, you mean that all views are worthless in proving anything absolutely, which I deem not possible anyway. I'm saying relative truth boils down to me have my views and you yours, how is my view "pointless" to me? Truth isn't pointless as you claim. My Truth is my perception, and is hardly pointless to me. However, [Absolute] Truth is [Absolutely] pointless seems to be quite apparent if relative truth exists.
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Originally Posted by shaun I find it funny, too, that you say you believe that and still participate in a forum whose tagline is "Only the Truth Matters". |
Well if Truth boils down to my perception, "Only my perception Matters" seems to be quite fair a tagline, however most viewers would attempt to stick a selfish stigma to it where none truly exists.
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Can you define Straw Man in your terms so that I might not misunderstand it as you see fit, if I were to look it up on my own.
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Originally Posted by shaun A Straw Man argument is the fallacy of refuting a misinterpreted or caricatured version of somebody's argument, rather than the actual argument they've made. |
To my knowledge I've made no Straw Men, but the nature of our "argument" requires quite a deal of word and thought manipulation.
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Am I making sense to some extent or am I failing in even the attempt to help you understand the second language perception?
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Originally Posted by shaun I understand your position. I just find it completely false. Do you understand that I am disagreeing with you completely? I think you do - which is why I'm not going to concede to seeing things in the view of relativism, because I find relativism false. |
I understand, but the second language perception is key, we're biased toward thinking in absolute truths, even though they're illusions, we assume they exist. This is why it seems that we can't "prove" relative truth but can prove absolute truth. The simple construct of a proof hinges on the assumption of absolute truth. And ofcourse using a construct assuming absolute truth can't be used to establish relative truth. THUS, the construct of a proof is so-biased. The very construct of most of our "argument" thus far has also been biased toward absolute truth, and my attempts toward bringing the bias down have subsequently been misinterpreted as "straw men."
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Originally Posted by shaun Let us transition to the other thread - I'm kind of tired of double-posting.  |
I'll agree that our other thread is more suitable. I just felt it worthwhile to respond here in kind.