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Originally Posted by Astral Part 1 eh?
I will simply cut to the chase. The article is nothing more than an attempt to trivialize God. Suppose people did actually follow that religion that is used by people of power to institute control over people. Aids would most likely be wiped out by now. How? Because people would only be having sex in Wedlock and with only 1 person in their entire lifetime. Now you can toss in polygamists but if they remain bound to their vows then only that subset of people could possibly come infected.
Lets get this straight... blaming religion as the source of the worlds problems is patently intellectually dishonest to the extreme. Mankind is whats evil... not religion and not its absence either. The article stated that religion was dreamed up by people in power to control others... I guess that shows you where that root of evil actually is. It is typical of these types of people to blame religion instead of the person that deluded people in the first place.
A religion can be one of peace... but that will not stop evil people from making it look bad to others. Likewise a religion can be one of war, but it does not stop passive people from being kind and gentle to their foes instead of killing them.
Do you wish to blame the real source of the problem? Or do you support placing blame incorrectly? Enjoy your very intellectually dishonest article. | That's neat and all, but you're basically saying that people are the reason for the state of the world. This is what humanists are about. The only thing the religious alternative states is that there is a cop out higher power that you can give up responsibility to.
I think that's the point of the humanist movement. It's growing up and discarding the need for a father figure and taking responsibility for our own actions. OF COURSE the problem is the people and how they interact with their religion. I don't see how any of this is intellectually dishonest. I think that, in fact, its empowering to want to toss literalist religion and take responsibility for our own actions.
I also tend to think that that was the entire point of Jesus' teachings. The divine mystery is not something "out there" that is responsible for the state of the world. The divine mystery is something "in here"... This is what it means to be the son of god and to be identical with god: "I and the Father are One." John 10:30
I think jesus was an ancient humanist. |
Yep I agree, he wasn't Christian that’s for sure. What ever ya want you to call them they are the same thing in the end. It starts with us first. Noah's story is about using the God given tools you have and save your own jazzbow.