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Originally Posted by Og The notion of god as a separate actor/being on an ultimate scale is demonstrably false. That is not the way the UNIverse works. | We disagree here.
Unless you are talking about a religious God, then I agree.
It is not demonstrably false. This is just flat out wrong.
Could you please explain what you mean?
If you know how the universe works ... your the first. | The notion of an entity with intrinsic identity is illusion. A flower is made up 100% of non flower parts. Same with a tornado and a person and a deity. All things are entirely defined by extrinsic characteristics.
Defining something with intrinsic identity is just a convention that is used as a local reference. Nothing has intrinsic identity in the universe. Thus the notion of a being (i.e. a thing with intrinsic identity) is false. Thus the notion of a god as an entity separate from you/me/the universe is false (as I said above).
This is called dependent origination. All things dependently arise from all other things. All is one. Just as weather systems come together to form a tornado, all "things" are produced by the confluence of other things ad infinitum until you see the universe as a single process. |
when you talk about god, i am going to assume that by "god," you are meaning the source that everything came from. so my question is how can something be called the "origin" if it was made of something else?
i'd also like to point out that i don't see god as something physical, such as a flower or a tornado. i see god as more of a human concept, such as good and evil. i don't think evil is exactly "made" of other things.