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Originally Posted by romansh  Marmalade .... you made me do it again .... just had to go to the dictionary. You are right most of the pans are worldly or theological but there are a few technical ones such panchromatic and panoptic. ....of course pancake ..  |
Gosh darnit! You got me with the pan-cake. I'm a believer in Pan-cakeism. Have you ever tried buckwheat pancakes?
...mmm... delicious!
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I just can't help thinking intelligent and ordered .... verging on the theistic?
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My definition of intelligence would be a combination of consciousness and order. So, in my mind, I'd translate your statement into consciousness and order not being able to simultaneously exist without it verging on the theistic... is this true?
Panpsychism comes to mind. This philosophy says that there is a fundamental consciousness in everything... meaning matter can't exist without consciousness, and I think it also would include consciousness not being able to exist without matter. To me, this seems a rational and commonsense assumption to make because it fits our direct experience and there is no evidence to the contrary.
Now, how about order? I'd imagine that most people(religious and/or scientific) believe in some form of fundamental order the universe. This also seems a fair assumption to make.
Okay, lets assume that order and consciousness both exist... simultaneously even. Does this imply a theistic God? I don't think so. There may be a fundamental intelligence(Telos) to the world and yet this doesn't have to include a willful deity that interferes. Telos is an intelligence that is inseparable from that which it informs. At its most basic, this can be interpreted as a tendency of the universe to seek out greater complexity through evolution.
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"not simultaneously?".... I suppose it would be cool....certainly explain a lot. What time frame did you have in mind .... a few generations?
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I didn't have anything exactly in mind. If it was a deistic God, you could place the intelligence of God at the beginning of Creation and place the principle of order after the event of Creation. This way God's intelligence can't interfere with the order once its set in place.
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So what label would you give to this colection of suppositions?
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With the "not simultaneously" scenario, deism could work probably in any of its varieties.