Hello Shaun!
Thank you for your reply - I like it very much and it has good points
I am not sure what you mean by a "absolute truth claim" to be honest because if it is a claim it has no valid wight? Could you define it for me please?
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So Nothing is an absolute truth. But does that mean that nothing is true or that we just can never find it?
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You're playing with semantics now. Sounds good, means absolutely nothing.[quote]
I agree here. This here is me claiming "Nothing" for being an absolute truth, even though all we've done is removed everything.
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If you take away everything you have something
| No, if you remove everything you have nothing. Nothing is not something by definition - 0 is not 1, no matter how much you try and state it. |
We can talk about Nothing and it is not something. I had hoped that I covered it with the parentheses.
A sidetrack however: Your statement that "0 is not 1, no matter how much you try and state it" can be proven with mathematics which never seem to fail us. On the other hand We do not have anything that verifies mathematics to be correct.
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And if you put these things into Nothing you get something - alas you can never observe it.
| Non sequitur fallacy. It does not lead you to believe you can never observe it (again an absolute claim) by any means. |
Why does it not mean that I can never observe it?
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Everything is relative - Nothing is true | That's an absolute truth claim you just used to say everything is relative. Your argument fails in its attempt to define itself. |
The sentence "Everything is relative - Nothing is true" is just a nice sentence. It does not prove anything.
I would like to thank you for your input. That my argument fails in its attempt to define itself is a valid statement as I find it hard to say that truth can not be found and expect it to be taken as truth. Does it mean that what I said is not true?
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Originally Posted by shaun 1. A is A (law of identity) |
If everything on the planet points to something being true - how does that actually make it true? Most likely the moon is the moon, but we do not have anything but our senses to verify it?
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Originally Posted by shaun 2. A is not Non-A (law of contradiction) |
Could be?
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Originally Posted by shaun 3. Either B or Non-B (law of excluded middle) |
Why not?
These statements we more or less take for granted and it's hard to find reasons for them not to be true. But can it be doubted that A = A? Or does there exist something that tells with out doubt that A = A?