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LOGOS · 12-03-2007, 05:59 PM

Hi mate,

im at work now so i cant carry on like prevous posts.

My judgement is a very simple one, how can this entity actualy bring order to chaos when the state of the universe is still in a chatoic state?

I simply intepreted the bible as i see it because it clearly say's that God put the universe in order which physicaly has not happened at all, for we are still in chaos and this evident because we come and go and the Erath is ever changing so to is teh universe, compressing, froming new mountains and rivers....ever flowing chaos. You cannot put thsi energy in or out of our reality, it is everywhere. The funny thing is to me, it actualy is harmony, we just dont accept and try to live oppisite of nature. When we realise this, we will become one with God or force.

Another problem with the bible is it places the ceation of man in Alpha which science and by now common sense has prevailed and proved this very wrong. The source of this claim is by Bishop Usher ( do a wiki search) this guy actualy places a day and time when god put "evrything into order".October 27th 4004 B.C

Man is mystical yes, i too conflict with the evolution of darwanism but i do agree on the development of the earth which has taken millions of years.

Why are we here?Who are we and where did we come from? The answer generaly given, was that humans where of comparitatively recent origin, because it must have been obvious , even at early times ( B.C) that humans race was improving in knowledge and technology, and no better example is there from the Greeks from which we are still using there methods to ever excell.This seemed to be lost everytime man faced crisis and il get to that in a moment.

As above Usher placed creation of the universe with a begining which is worng to me. Im Aristotelian in this area as he believed the universe had existed for ever something etrenal is more perfect than something created.
He suggested the reason we progress, was that floods, wars, or other natural disasters had repeatedly set civilisation back to the begining

The motiation for believeing in an eternal universe was the desire to avoid invoking devine intervention to create the universe and set it going.

As you will find in Hesiod there is no begining but void, although he uses the word XAOS ( greek) or Chaos ( english). Many claim that he ment void, i believe this was a twist to fit with the creation of the genesis for if theres void then surely something needed to ignite motion.

Conversely those who believed the universe had a begining used it as an arguement for the existance of the church god, as teh first cause, or prime mover of the universe. So if one believed the universe had a begining, the obvious question was, what was god doing before he craeted the universe?

Perhaps creating hell for those who asked such questions lol.....i gotta go man will continue later because im at work.....

12-03-2007, 05:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
LOGOS Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 13	Hi mate, im at work now so i cant carry on like prevous posts. My judgement is a very simple one, how can this entity actualy bring order to chaos when the state of the universe is still in a chatoic state? I simply intepreted the bible as i see it because it clearly say's that God put the universe in order which physicaly has not happened at all, for we are still in chaos and this evident because we come and go and the Erath is ever changing so to is teh universe, compressing, froming new mountains and rivers....ever flowing chaos. You cannot put thsi energy in or out of our reality, it is everywhere. The funny thing is to me, it actualy is harmony, we just dont accept and try to live oppisite of nature. When we realise this, we will become one with God or force. Another problem with the bible is it places the ceation of man in Alpha which science and by now common sense has prevailed and proved this very wrong. The source of this claim is by Bishop Usher ( do a wiki search) this guy actualy places a day and time when god put "evrything into order".October 27th 4004 B.C Man is mystical yes, i too conflict with the evolution of darwanism but i do agree on the development of the earth which has taken millions of years. Why are we here?Who are we and where did we come from? The answer generaly given, was that humans where of comparitatively recent origin, because it must have been obvious , even at early times ( B.C) that humans race was improving in knowledge and technology, and no better example is there from the Greeks from which we are still using there methods to ever excell.This seemed to be lost everytime man faced crisis and il get to that in a moment. As above Usher placed creation of the universe with a begining which is worng to me. Im Aristotelian in this area as he believed the universe had existed for ever something etrenal is more perfect than something created. He suggested the reason we progress, was that floods, wars, or other natural disasters had repeatedly set civilisation back to the begining The motiation for believeing in an eternal universe was the desire to avoid invoking devine intervention to create the universe and set it going. As you will find in Hesiod there is no begining but void, although he uses the word XAOS ( greek) or Chaos ( english). Many claim that he ment void, i believe this was a twist to fit with the creation of the genesis for if theres void then surely something needed to ignite motion. Conversely those who believed the universe had a begining used it as an arguement for the existance of the church god, as teh first cause, or prime mover of the universe. So if one believed the universe had a begining, the obvious question was, what was god doing before he craeted the universe? Perhaps creating hell for those who asked such questions lol.....i gotta go man will continue later because im at work..... __________________ One must not follow what is common; but, even though the Logos is common, most people live as though they possessed their own understanding of it. The common is what is open to all, what can be seen and heard by all. To see is to let in with open eyes what is open to view, i.e. what is lit up and revealed to all. Last edited by LOGOS : 12-03-2007 at 06:11 PM.