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Originally Posted by LOGOS Hello all,
im glad i have come acroos this site. The funny thing is many of us think we have become agnostic which in its own does not make sense when being agnostic is not having a clear grasp on the topic anyway. We where born agnostic and we will die agnostic. In between that time frame...we seek truth and purpose. Hope we can all draw some great conclusions....
See you then! |  You clearly have no grasp of the meaning of agnosticism. To be an agnostic, one must consciously acknowledge the concept. Because the definition of atheism is: 1) a lack of belief in God, all infants are presumably born atheists. I will not claim this as a fact, however because God may exist, and He may have created all infants to be born as theists. |
Are you trying to be dumb? So what you are saying one must anowledge that they are agnostic consciously to be agnostic???? Moron we are governed by the laws of science!!!Untill scientific conclusions are established you know only what want to know when it comes to the unexplained!Atheism is a little weak word created by the church goers to give an negative generalisation to those who apose to swallow everything that is fed to sheep like you. Atheists are unable to think outside the box ( just like you). If atheists were a dominant force in our lives, we simply never would have discovered black holes because we would have never believed such entities existed, simply put, atheist and church fundimentalists is like an ostrich with its head in the sand . Agnostics are far from this.A new born hasnt the ability like you to think for itself, it has only instinct. It cannot see clear objects for its first year! Its eyes cannot send clear messages to the brain liek say a 3 old would. So how can you say a child is atheist even if he or she was not raised by parents that followed religion when it has the ability of free thinking and within this infinite ability imagination naturaly creates super beings that can not be prooven yet affect the childs life in several ways. Is this child not agnostic to its own imagination???? Cause GOD, dummy, is your imagination.
You want me embaress you son....heres where i stand.I am not a monotheist i am agnostic not because i consciously accept i am, i am agnostic because i know to much to think i know everything.
I believe the universe was created out of nothing, it has no begining and no end according to the laws of science....the basic assumption of science is scientific determinism, the laws of science determine the evolution of the universe given its state at one time...these laws may or may not have been decreed by god but he cannot intervine to break the laws or they will not be laws...that leaves god with the freedom to choose the initial state of the universe but even here its seems there may be laws...so god will have no freedom at all.Do you follow numbskull?
That is why im agnostic....because the begining is unclear to me other than what science is revealing. What is important to me is purpose...we are lost without it, so the human conscious creates the omnipotence to anchor us, to make rational of how we carry out our lives and shrug at phenomena as if to say that is for GOD to know, and not us,...its a pity, for Solon's laws already gave us sanity, and Socrates gave us the will to question all....for the question is the foundation of truth. The only thing that i gravitate towards is CHAOS.
And dont say i have no clue about the meaning of agnostic, it is a word which was fathered by my 1st language which is used more than yours, Greek.
Il give you the time to come back with some salt which concludes that im not agnostic to your character, your more atheist than than your agnostic phile, actualy your just plain arrogant.