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Originally Posted by niranjan Wow, so , killing people in order to reduce overpopulation is right according to u.
And u consider that persons intent as just, because he feels that way!!!!
I guess serial killers may be your heroes. | Nope, but to someone else, it could be pictured as right. He/she might believe that humans are having and adverse effect on the planet, because of global warming, habitat destruction etc, etc. Therefore, to eliminate people would eliminate carbon-emissions. Someone might picture life as a whole as useless and decide to take the world out with him. You can plead all you want, he just has to say, “I don’t care if you die.’ So yeah, again, this boils down to opinion, not fact. |
But indeed , u deemed his actions as just, and that is where I have a problem.
Why kill people, in order to reduce global warming. Why not look for an alternative solution !!!!!
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Originally Posted by niranjan And what is the basis on which to judge whether his intent is correct or not, or is closer to the truth or not. | Exactly, now apply that reasoning with your opinion that humans are important. The truth has nothing to do with it. The truth sits by itself, what you do with it is up to you. So yeah, again, this boils down to opinion, not fact. |
And how did you get to the truth yourself , in order to refute the 'fact ' or my 'opinion' that humans are important.
And as I said before, we have to understand the situation through discrimination, arrive at the truth, which brings the greater good, and then put into action.
The truth indeed has everything to do with it.
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Originally Posted by niranjan I have based it on discrimination, that which brings the greatest good and the least evil. | You’re evil! Why not kill 100 people and save 300 cows, huh, buddy? Because it is your opinion that humans are more important than cows. So yeah, again, this boils down to opinion, not fact. |
Well, I have given my grounds on why people are important , both on eastern philosophy and western. You have not refuted that reasoning.
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Originally Posted by niranjan For example, when there is ample vegetarian food around, slaughtering and killing animals is wrong in my opinion, except in some cases of animals or fish, that supplies certain required nutrients to the body that cannot be supplied by vegetarian food. | Oh no, fish are gods chosen creatures! So yeah, again, this boils down to opinion, not fact. |
Refute what I have said, pal. Then say that it boils down to opinion, and not fact.
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Originally Posted by niranjan On the other hand, when there is no vegetarian food, and the only way to survive is through non-vegetarian food of animals or fish, then I believe that the right thing to do is to take up non-veg. | Nope, humans can starve, save the fish! You fish murdering evil bastard! So yeah, again, this boils down to opinion, not fact. |
Again refute what I have said, pal. Then say that it boils down to opinion, and not fact.
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Originally Posted by niranjan It is again pure discrimination or judgement based on the situation or circumstances by discerning the truth and putting it in action.
Intent has nothing to do with it. | Oh, your own agenda has everything to do with it! Fish are important, humans are carbon-pumping disease infested rats. So yeah, again, this boils down to opinion, not fact. |
And what indeed is my own agenda!!!!!!!!!
Refute what I have said, then point out that this is an opinion and not a fact.
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Originally Posted by niranjan You can also say that an another basis of the 'whole' is a healthy respect for life, and holding it as precious and valuable.
Also a cow is good economics, and is a quite productive animal which is useful to human beings and the environment . Hence it indeed is valuable. | Sorry, I believe that killing cattle is immoral, go kill yourself you cattle eating Satanist! So yeah, again, this boils down to opinion, not fact. |
Refute what I have said, then point out that this is an opinion and not a fact.
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Originally Posted by niranjan And where have they been refuted. The only ones refuted is yours, as you have not answered mine, as I have answered yours. | Please, quote the arguments you are talking about, they don’t seem to exist anywhere. And sorry, all your arguments have been refuted, you just assume you have a point by boring the hell out of your enemy. Oh, you have answered none, that is why I am still arguing  |
Here you go ...
There are indeed logical reasons not to kill oneself.
For one , you are committing murder on yourself ( leaving the physical illness part out of this which is involuntary ). And a murder is a murder whether it is yourself or others.
Secondly , you are bringing to waste all the tremondous power and divinity that is within you from being manifested, which could go a long way in promoting truth, justice , culture ,goodness and beauty in this world. It can also bring happiness , peace and bliss to you in the long run.
Thirdly, you are bringing great pain and suffering to your friends and family. That is sheer selfishness .
Fourthly, you are promoting yourself as a negative role model to society, and others who know you, in their weaker moments, might feel tempted to follow your example and choose the easier path of killing themselves instead of battling it out and emerging triumphant along with being positive role models for society.