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Originally Posted by noeticcenter  Agnostic Forum
All yogas, raja yoga, karma yoga, jnana yoga,bhakti yoga lead to the same path and goal, which is enlightenment.
Certainly one could be a Christian and a Buddhist experiencing salvation and enlightnement.
I believe that salvation and enlightenment is one and the same thing.
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It all depends on who defines what as SALVATION & ENLIGHTENMENT
For example: " The god of this World (is it the brahman of samsara?) has BLINDED (if there is no darkness, there need be no enlightenment) the MINDS
(reason begins there, not emotions, not the bodies) of those who BELIEVE NOT (EVIDENTIAL written record during a period of two millennia by over 40 human authors of almost 20 different backgrounds from Sovereigns to Servants), lest the LIGHT (ENLIGHTENMENT) of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL(OBJECTIVE) of the MESSIAH (EVIDENTIAL via over two hundred direct PROPHETIC FULFILLMENTS, besides thousands of indirect pointers from about 1000 years even before Moses) who is the IMAGE (INCARNATION) of Elohim should SHINE (ENLIGHTEN) unto them......For ELOHIM who commanded the light to shine out of darkness has shone in our hearts, to give the LIGHT of the KNOWLEDGE of the GLORY of ELOHIM in the face of YAH SHUA MESSIAH.
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Have no idea what this means!!!
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Originally Posted by niranjan And where are his 'routines ' given!!!. | . |
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At least for the first two years He was in Egypt. Then we see him lost in the Temple at age 12 during their annual visits there for Passover.
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I had mentioned about him at the age of 12 , but there is no record of him after that.
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Then his routines are given till the age 30..
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Where!!!!
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1. Every family has to visit Jerusalem Temple at least one Feast of the Lord an year, usually Passover..
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Does not mean that Jesus had visited the Temple every year. He was a free , independent, restless young man, who had a mind of his own. He certainly was not satisfied by the arguments of the priests in the Temple at the age of 12,and was found discussing and debating with them.
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Originally Posted by noeticcenter 2. Greek Physician and Historian who was very specific for details give this account: " AND He came to Nazareth (after Baptism by John) and as His CUSTOM was He went into the Synagogue on the Sabath Day and stood up to read..." Luke 4: 16. He read from the Torah scrolls (Prophet Isaiah, prophesying about what HE was doing right there).
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I have read this, and this did not take place during the 'unknown years', but after that.
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Originally Posted by noeticcenter [noeticcenter;19966] Noetic: Einstein is not infallible. Gautamma though a prince was inferior to the Brahmins
[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum
"Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things as a meaningful unity" - Albert Einstein
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Siddhartha was not at all interested in being superior or inferior to the Brahmins. He was more interested in finding out the cause of suffering and the purpose of life.
[noeticcenter]; That is o.k. All the same he did not agree with the Vedas on Varna (color, whatever you interpret that to be) and on polytheism. He was non-theistic which simply means atheistic... |
For your information, there is no mention of caste system in the Vedas, which was created in the later times by the priests ( brahmins ).
The majority of the Rishis , who composed the Vedas themselves belonged to the lower economic groups. One of them was even the son of a prostitute, and he was taken by his guru as a disciple, when he honestly admitted his lineage and showed his character in the process , which immensely pleased his guru.
And the Vedas are basically monistic or monotheistic. All the gods are said by the Vedas to have emerged from the supreme impersonal Lord Brahman.
Non-theistic does not strictly mean atheistic.
Even the buddha had talked about a timeless, changeless substance pervading the entire universe.
"There is, O monks, an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed. Were there not, O monks, this Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, there would be no escape from the world of the born, originated, created, formed. Since, O monks, there is an Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated, Unformed, therefore is there an escape from the born, originated, created, formed. What is dependant, that also moves; what is independent does not move." (Udana 8:3)
--- Buddha
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Originally Posted by noeticcenter He wanted to abolish the Caste system (Caste is an English left over. They coined the word Caste for Varna = color, the rght original Hindu word. Caste system was a Color system. But, the English looked upon all as colored.
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[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum
As you can see from the hindu scriptures, all the hindu gods, except Shiva, is black-skinned.
Vishnu, Rama and Krishna , who were worshipped by the ancient hindus and now as well, are stated in all the hindu scriptures to be black-skinned.
The mahabharatha and srimadbhagavatam, Krishna's biography, points out his beautiful black skin colour again and again. Krishna's beautiful features , his lotus eyes, his smile and his beautiful black skin, 'the colour of dark thunderclouds'( according to the scriptures ) is mentioned again and again. Arjuna, Damayanti, Vyasa, Draupadi,and other heroes and heroines are also described with dark skin in the hindu scriptures. In the Bhagavad Gita you can clearly see the blackskinned Krishna conversing with the darkskinned arjuna. So you can see from this clearly that varna means the qualities or energies of human nature and not at all skin colour.
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Not quite precise. Thunderclouds is the closest, but most references to Krishna and the other gods except Yama (of Death) are depicted as Indigo Blue.
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Vishnu has been described in the scriptures as blackskinned, and same is with Krishna in the mahabharatha and the Srimad Bhagavatham. The term Krishna itself means black.
Rama has been described in the RAmayana as being of a black-brown hue.
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