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[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum

All yogas, raja yoga, karma yoga, jnana yoga,bhakti yoga lead to the same path and goal, which is enlightenment.

Certainly one could be a Christian and a Buddhist experiencing salvation and enlightnement.
I believe that salvation and enlightenment is one and the same thing.
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Noetic Response:

It all depends on who defines what as SALVATION & ENLIGHTENMENT

For example: " The god of this World (is it the brahman of samsara?) has BLINDED (if there is no darkness, there need be no enlightenment) the MINDS
(reason begins there, not emotions, not the bodies) of those who BELIEVE NOT (EVIDENTIAL written record during a period of two millennia by over 40 human authors of almost 20 different backgrounds from Sovereigns to Servants), lest the LIGHT (ENLIGHTENMENT) of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL(OBJECTIVE) of the MESSIAH (EVIDENTIAL via over two hundred direct PROPHETIC FULFILLMENTS, besides thousands of indirect pointers from about 1000 years even before Moses) who is the IMAGE (INCARNATION) of Elohim should SHINE (ENLIGHTEN) unto them......For ELOHIM who commanded the light to shine out of darkness has shone in our hearts, to give the LIGHT of the KNOWLEDGE of the GLORY of ELOHIM in the face of YAH SHUA MESSIAH.
2Corinthians 4: 4-5
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And where are his 'routines ' given!!!

[noeticcenter;19966]

At least for the first two years He was in Egypt. Then we see him lost in the Temple at age 12 during their annual visits there for Passover. Then his routines are given till the age 30.

1. Every family has to visit Jerusalem Temple at least one Feast of the Lord an year, usually Passover.

2. Greek Physician and Historian who was very specific for details give this account: " AND He came to Nazareth (after Baptism by John) and as His CUSTOM was He went into the Synagogue on the Sabath Day and stood up to read..." Luke 4: 16. He read from the Torah scrolls (Prophet Isaiah, prophesying about what HE was doing right there).

[noeticcenter;19966] Noetic: Einstein is not infallible. Gautamma though a prince was inferior to the Brahmins

[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum

"Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things as a meaningful unity" - Albert Einstein
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Siddhartha was not at all interested in being superior or inferior to the Brahmins. He was more interested in finding out the cause of suffering and the purpose of life.

[noeticcenter]; That is o.k. All the same he did not agree with the Vedas on Varna (color, whatever you interpret that to be) and on polytheism. He was non-theistic which simply means atheistic.

He wanted to abolish the Caste system (Caste is an English left over. They coined the word Caste for Varna = color, the rght original Hindu word. Caste system was a Color system. But, the English looked upon all as colored.

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[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum
As you can see from the hindu scriptures, all the hindu gods, except Shiva, is black-skinned.

Vishnu, Rama and Krishna , who were worshipped by the ancient hindus and now as well, are stated in all the hindu scriptures to be black-skinned.
The mahabharatha and srimadbhagavatam, Krishna's biography, points out his beautiful black skin colour again and again. Krishna's beautiful features , his lotus eyes, his smile and his beautiful black skin, 'the colour of dark thunderclouds'( according to the scriptures ) is mentioned again and again. Arjuna, Damayanti, Vyasa, Draupadi,and other heroes and heroines are also described with dark skin in the hindu scriptures. In the Bhagavad Gita you can clearly see the blackskinned Krishna conversing with the darkskinned arjuna. So you can see from this clearly that varna means the qualities or energies of human nature and not at all skin colour.

[noeticcenter;19966]

Not quite precise. Thunderclouds is the closest, but most references to Krishna and the other gods except Yama (of Death) are depicted as Indigo Blue.

His second problem was 330 million gods of Hinduism, while the Upanishads make no such references.[/quote]


[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum]

I have no idea where u are getting all this information.
Buddha was not at all interested in theism in the first place, whether polytheism, or monotheism or monism.

Noeticcenter: Buddha was presenting an Atheistic (non-theistic) alternative to polytheism. I do not see any disagreement here, that you are citing.

[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum]

"Great indeed are the devas(gods) who have sprung out of Brahman."

---Atharva Veda

[Noeticcenter]

True. But Buddha had no need of them

[noeticcenter;19966]
So, he got rid of all of them and declared Nirvana as the end of Reincarnations.[/quote]

[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum]

The goal of Hinduism as well is Nirvana or Moksha or liberation from the cycle of birth or rebirth.Swami Vivekananda had stated Buddhism to be the logical fulfilment of Hinduism.

[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum]

Both monism and monotheism are a part of the Vedas and the Upanishads, which were created milleniums before Jesus was born. The Bhagavad Gita too, which was written milleniums before Jesus,was also basically monistic and monotheistic.

noeticcenter:

I used the word "ALSO" deliberately. Perhaps you di not notice that.


[noeticcenter;19966]

Buddha died an ordinary death and his body was burned according to customs. Some could not believe this.

[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum]

Buddha physical body died and he attained parinirvana. What is so unbelievable about this!!!!! The impermanence of all compounded things is a primary teaching of the Buddha.

noeticcenter:

I refer you to http://noeticcenter.tripod.com
OR NueroQunatology Journal 2007, June and September #'s
& Noetic Journal, October 2003, Vol 4 # 4 for Mind Matter (Nobelist Sir John Eccles Centennial Edition)

OR BROWSE on the internet for Dark Chemistry Dark Matter Dark Chemistry and Dark Matter

Dark Chemistry or Psychic Pixels

There is a scientific possibility of an Invisible Homo sapiens for every human, (no invisble bodies for plants and animals, though there could be a universal sentience at the PLANT level in all animals and humans)

Buddha died in pain as all normal human beings usually do when dying CONSCIOUS at the last moment. His followers thought He attained Nirvana. There is no eye witness account of Nirvana, never can be.

[Jeannette] Agnostic Forum]

The Buddha's last words were thus," "All composite things pass away. Strive for your own liberation with diligence".

noeticcenter:

No matter how much you strive, death and according to the Bible JUDGeMENT
for ignoring the Incarnate Messiah are more real than Tax & Government.

The Last Words of the dying (not the RISEN) Yah Shua Messiah were: " Father forgive them...Into Thy Hands I commend my Spirit... then He GAVE UP the spirit" Greek Physician and Historian records that in Luke 23: 46.

Buddha died with STRIVINGS on his tongue, because " the WAGES of sin (strivings of sin) is DEATH, but the GIFT of Elohim is ETERNAL LIFE through Yah Shua Messia, Our Adonai. Romans 6: 23 written by a former cruel enemy of the Cross and an eye witness of the Risen Adonai.