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Old 11-28-2007, 05:47 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Journeyman;5862 The absence of any evidence of Jesus in his years between 18 and 30 is typical among cults and religions thousands of years before Jesus. In Egypt the gods(Horus) did the same thing during the same ages. Birth to 12 -nothing- 30 to death and resurrection. As as far as Greek influence goes, just read the NT and look at its influence. The book of John is heavily based on a Greek and Roman motif. BTW, from what I understand Buddhist are concerned with enlightenment and Christianity is concerned with a salvific process. They are not the same thing.
Enlightenment is possible also through bhakti yoga ( the yoga of love).


The Buddhas approach was basically jnana yoga ( yoga of the intellect ), and raja yoga and meditation.

All yogas, raja yoga, karma yoga, jnana yoga,bhakti yoga lead to the same path and goal, which is enlightenment.



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Certainly one could be a Christian and a Buddhist experiencing salvation and enlightnement.

I believe that salvation and enlightenment is one and the same thing.
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At least for the first two years He was in Egypt. Then we see him lost in the Temple at age 12 during their annual visits there for Passover. Then his routines are given till the age 30.
And where are his 'routines ' given!!!


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"Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things as a meaningful unity" - Albert Einstein
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Einstein is not infallible. Gautamma though a prince was inferior to the Brahmins.


He did not like that.


Siddhartha was not at all interested in being superior or inferior to the Brahmins. He was more interested in finding out the cause of suffering and the purpose of life.

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He wanted to abolish the Caste system (Caste is an English coinage of word. Varna = color is the rght
original Hindu word. Caste system was a Color system.



Varna is a Sanskrit term and has two meanings; first it means "color"; and second it means a "veil". As color it does not refer to the color of the skin of people, but to the qualities or energies of human nature. As a veil it shows the four different ways in which the Divine Self is hidden in human beings.

According to hinduism every aspect or being of nature is made up of three elements or gunas in varying amounts, sattva , rajas and tamas.


The four castes had colours attributed to them. White for the brahmin caste,red for the kshatriya caste, yellow for the vaishya caste, and black for the shudra caste.

The brahmin caste is predominantly sattvic, the kshatriya caste is made up of sattva and rajas, the vaishya caste is made up of rajas and tamas, and the shudra caste is made up of tamas mainly. It is in this order that the colours are determinded and it is not with respect to skin colour.

As you can see from the hindu scriptures, all the hindu gods, except Shiva, is black-skinned.

Vishnu, Rama and Krishna , who were worshipped by the ancient hindus and now as well, are stated in all the hindu scriptures to be black-skinned.

The mahabharatha and srimadbhagavatam, Krishna's biography, points out his beautiful black skin colour again and again.

Krishna's beautiful features , his lotus eyes, his smile and his beautiful black skin, 'the colour of dark thunderclouds'( according to the scriptures ) is mentioned again and again.

Arjuna, Damayanti, Vyasa, Draupadi,and other heroes and heroines are also described with dark skin in the hindu scriptures.

In the Bhagavad Gita you can clearly see the blackskinned Krishna conversing with the darkskinned arjuna.

So you can see from this clearly that varna means the qualities or energies of human nature and not at all skin colour.


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His second problem was 330 million gods of Hinduism, while the Upanishads make no such references.
I have no idea where u are getting all this information.

Buddha was not at all interested in theism in the first place, whether polytheism, or monotheism or monism.

He was more interested in making people walk the path of moksha or nirvana or enlightenment.

Also Hinduism is basically monistic or monotheistic, and it worships and reveres the supreme impersonal God Brahman.


The Mundaka Upanishad says:
Om. That supreme Brahman is infinite, and this conditioned Brahman is infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. Then through knowledge, realizing the infinitude of the infinite, it remains as infinite alone.



This Supreme Cosmic Spirit or Absolute Reality called Brahman is said to be eternal, genderless, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, and ultimately indescribable in the human language. It can be at best described as infinite Being, infinite Consciousness and infinite Bliss. Brahman is regarded as the source and essence of the material universe. It is pure being. Brahman manifests as Hiranyagarbha, the "world soul", which also can take many forms or manifestations of the thousands of gods. It was deemed a singular substrate from which all that is arises, and debuts with this verse:

"Great indeed are the devas(gods) who have sprung out of Brahman."

---Atharva Veda



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So, he got rid of all of them and declared Nirvana as the end of Reincarnations.

The goal of Hinduism as well is Nirvana or Moksha or liberation from the cycle of birth or rebirth.

However Hinduism at the time of Buddha was focussed more on rituals and sacrifices, lacking the necessary focus on nirvana or moksha.

Buddha eleminated all the rituals and sacrifices from his variant of hinduism, and made it strictly non-theistic.

Swami Vivekananda had stated Buddhism to be the logical fulfilment of Hinduism.



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His version of Hinduism (Buddhism) swept across India all the way to Shri Lanka, Burma and Tibet- all then parts of Bharat/Hindustan (India).


Then Shankar, the teen age Sanskrit prodigy from Kerala, India came along and his guru gave him a mission, actually a trick. He should go to Benares ( the Vatican of Hinduism) and convince the Pundits that there are no gods but " You are Brahman", and " I am Brahman" and "everything is Brahman". This is the unity you are talking about!


What nonsense. The concept of monism is present in the Vedas and Upanishads milleniums before Shankaracharya was born .

Shankaracharya mainly consolidated the teaching of Advaita Vedanta, in which he underlines the unity of the soul and Brahman.

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Sankar was influenced also by the Monotheism of the Mission of Apostle Tomas in India, especially to the Cochin Jews Kerala. St. Thomas landed was very close to his grand parents around 53 A.D.




Both monism and monotheism are a part of the Vedas and the Upanishads, which were created milleniums before Jesus was born.

The Bhagavad Gita too, which was written milleniums before Jesus,was also basically monistic and monotheistic.

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Buddha died an ordinary death and his body was burned according to customs. Some could not believe this.
Buddha physical body died and he attained parinirvana. What is so unbelievable about this!!!!!

The impermanence of all compounded things is a primary teaching of the Buddha.

The Buddha's last words were thus," "All composite things pass away. Strive for your own liberation with diligence."
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