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Originally Posted by trufbetold  I know your not atheists, but it's seems that you are on the same sort of persuasion, being people who are non-believers. |
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Technically, atheists are anti-believers in reference to God.
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amazing, that was the first time I ever heard, the term anti-believer by an agnostic. Atheist say there is no God, Agnostics say, I don't know if there is a God, in either case, how can you believe on something that you don't believe, so to speak. You are both "non-believers".
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What you say is probably true just as its probably true that most believers read the bible with their preferred bias. This is just human nature.
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Aha! human nature, you say? Well, that doesn't matter anyway, atheist will not presuppose that God does exist, however I have done both. I sorely disagree, human nature is bound totally within the limits of perception, however there is only one truth, and everybody's perception is not right. Regardless of any of this, the bible is clear: nobody can chose God, only God will have mercy and draws those whom ever He will. Maybe then, this message is not for you, in either case, this still proves the word of God is the only correct perception.
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False. Only atheists start with this presupposition.
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Sure I'll give you that, most people that start with this presupposition are atheist or existentialist. Consider this though, a few agnostics I have met use the exact same atheist rebuttals which as you've intevitably guessed it start with "God can't exist, because if He does....".
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Open-mindedness and objectivity are some of the highest values of an agnostic.
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How can open-mindedness or any kind of mindedness for that matter even be in an agnostic's vocabulary? Even the word agnostic is from the greek word
agnosis, which means ignorant and is often used to describe a fool, google it sir, I'm not making a jest at you.
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I even know of an intelligent Christian there who might give you a run for your money.
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Everything that glitters is not gold, I have several dozen books I read from "intelligent christians"authors, but I refuse to make a further comment on this term until you explain what you mean by it.
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To tell you the truth, you're sounding kind of hostile at the moment... or at least highly combative.
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You'll have to pardon me, I have been known to be in the flesh sometime, with that said, if what I am telling you or anybody wise enough to read this the truth, and that this is an urgent matter, what does it matter? The truth presented without love is still the truth, discrediting me will not change that. I'm not hostile or combative, I'm presenting you with a genuine testimony from someone who has played on both sides. Aside from the world standing still for a moment, and angel confronting you in a parking lot or God dropping everything He's doing to just to tell you face to face what He has already stated in the Bible or any of these supernatural signs and wonders these atheists and agnostics so desperately need to see with their own eyes (not that anyone would believe you right), I assure you, this will be the only proof you will get.
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It depends on your definition of immoral. Some of the sayings and actions of Jesus don't stand up to modern morality.
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Correction, your modern 'morality' is still being updated, about 40 years ago LSD was still legal, about 250 so was slavery, what do you know about morality. The truth, if we could call it true at all, is immutable and is not subject to man's perversions.
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I have searched and I have had many insights and experiences of faith, but it doesn't stop me from continuing to question.
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what is faith?
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There is much more at risk than uncertainty.
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Your absolutely right on the money with this one! Like what
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If you want mutual respect, then back off of the hardcore preaching and name-calling.
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Sir you just proved my point exactly. I could have been a spammer and you'd be more tolerable. Actually I cannot stop preaching the gospel, it is the truth I tell you.