Lecter

Hello with Jesus

You ask some very important questions that I'm going to try to answer to the best of my ability. However I must say I'm confused since you say you've read books about the subject. you claim the following:

You mention facts and truth but in your post say things that are simply not true. Not even Western books about Islam say some of the things you say, and trust me I've read books written by non Muslims.

For example you say:

This is simply not true.

Muslims did not start fighting back until 13 years of persecution. 13 years they lived in Mecca suffering mockery, humiliation, oppression, torture and even murder. They were suffering so bad Muhammad told Muslims to go to Ethiopia where a just Christian king lived, that would protect them from the Pagan Arabs, and so he did.

Muslims then had to leave their homes and go to Yathreb (called Al Madina Al Monawara later) and have the Pagan Arabs take over all their property and homes. Even Muhammad himself had to leave when the Pagan Arabs were planning to kill him.

Now are you blaming Muslims for fighting back their oppressors?

Again, remember this lasted for 13 years, and not a single Muslim would fight back. Jesus Christ himself, peace be upon him, only spent 3 years preaching.

Now why was permission to fight given to Muslims? If you want to know simply read the first verses revealed about that subject, here it is:

*{Permission is granted to those who are being persecuted, since injustice has befallen them, and God is certainly able to support them. They were evicted from their homes unjustly, for no reason other than saying, "Our Lord is God." If it were not for God's supporting of some people against others, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and masjids [mosques] - where the name of God is commemorated frequently - would have been destroyed. Absolutely, God supports those who support Him. God is Powerful, Almighty.}*[22:39-40]

So we as Muslims have the permission to fight against persecution. We are also told to fight to protect the weak and the oppressed.

And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!" [4:75]

Violence in Islam and war are hated.

"Fighting is prescribed for you and it is hateful to you."[2:216]

However sitting there not doing anything when people are hurt and suffering is far worse the fighting. However if the persecution stops, then the fighting should also stop.

The Qur'an says:

And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.[8:39]

and later in the same Surah...

And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower.

So if our enemies want peace then we must cease to fight and seek peace. However if people are being persecuted then we must fight until it is stopped. How is that not fair and just?

There's a difference between being peaceful and passive. Being passive is evil, especially when your fellow man is being hurt and you do nothing about it.

Again this is not true. You imply the whole tribe was killed and that they were killed because they were Jews.

First, women and children were not killed, because that is forbidden in Islam.
Second Muhammad did not order to kill them, they were judged by a man and were sentenced to death.

Now why were they killed?

When Muhammad was chosen as the leader of Al Madina a constitution was written and Muslims, non-Muslims and the Jews agreed to protect each other against any outside enemy. It was the first time that a bond was made that was superior to the bond of race, clan and blood.

Actually in that constitution the rights of the Jews were protected, I'll show you these rules if you want later.

Anyways what happened was that the Pagan Arabs were attacking the Muslims, and the city was under siege. One of the Jewish tribes that lived inside the city tried to help the Pagan Arabs and grant them entry from behind inside the city so they can kill the Muslims.

When Muslims found this out they put them under trial and they were sentenced to death for treason. They didn't even resist because they understood what they have done was something great.

However the other Jewish tribes living inside the city were not harmed and lived peacefully amongst the Muslims. This punishment was against their act, and not their religion.

I want you to look up the conquest of Mecca and see what Muslims did to their enemies when they took Mecca back. I'm talking about those Pagan Arabs who were torturing and killing Muslims for so long, do you know what Muhammad did to them when Muslims finally won and there was no threat coming from them anymore? Do you know what he said to them?


He said:

"I speak to you in the same words as Joseph spoke to his brothers. This day there is no reproof against you; Go your way, for you are free."

He pardoned his enemies that not too long ago were killing Muslims, but since there was no point in killing them they were all forgiven and set free. Can you honestly tell me such a man is a man who likes violence? Or is he a man who loved peace and justice?

Do not confuse the action of some with the rules we have in our religion, Islam is the only religion that has rules on how to treat people of other religions because we accept there are always gonna be people who don't follow our religion. the Qur'an is the only holy book that tells us how to deal with them.

It says:

It may be that Allah will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For Allah has power (over all things); And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.
[60:7-8]

I hope I answered your questions.

If you want me to elaborate on anything I said, just tell me so

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