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they are just words. freedom of speech exists in my home. i will not lie when asked the meaning of the f word by them.
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thats pretty dumb. wait till your ready to expain it to them? its too late by then. when its growing up as taboo, they just learn it from their friends, and dont feel comfortable talking about it with you.
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I don' think you have read properly - I never said anything about me being ready to explain it. I'm ready to explain it whenever they ask, or when I feel they are mature enough that they should know, or if I feel they have been misinformed about something and need correcting. Not because others feel the need to force their self expressions onto them, regardless of whether they are ready or not. I will tell them when I feel they are ready to learn, and not before.
It is not your decision to determine when my children are ready to learn about these things, and the manner in which they learn it. That is between my wife, myself and our children..
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ok....your point is that its the parents Decision to decide whats appropiate for their children. the parents are the censors. as i never had such i really dont understand why. it just feels like opressive behavior with good intentions. give em the tools to make up their own mind, dont make it up for them. of course i may be wrong....
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only at work for me in reguard to customers. i am aprofessional after all.
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So when you have to deal with people from whom you want something, only then do you care whether you offend them or not?
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just when i dont want something like loosing my job or going to jail. if your scared to offend someone you give them the power.
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I wonder, do you actually have children or is this all hypothetical for you? I don't think I have known any parents who find parenting so easy as to refer to another parents approach as dumb based on so little evidence. Most parents I know accept its a difficult job and try to help each other, but maybe I'm just lucky so far.
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truthfully i have no kids and never will. PARENTING IS NOT EASY. i never said it was. all i said was that i thought it was
unwise(less harsh than stupid maybe...) to wait till you feel your kids are ready to learn about something. when they wanna learn about something they will find out in a way that usually leads to misinformation from their friends. the trick is to beat em to the punch, let the cat out of the bag, and form a solid foundation with the truth.
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YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. hey ill not wear a shirt if the church will take down that propaganda on every church sign. im offended every time i see the what would jesus do bumpersticker. i dont care if i offend people.
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Firstly I think you misunderstand me again. I was referring to giving opinions when requested, for example here you started a thread asking what people thought of censorchip and I responded with my opinion. Or when you are in a situation where your opinion is unlikely to cause offense to others (Pogues concert?), or where they may actually be interested in how you express yourself (Night Club?).
Secondly, I don't know what bumper sticker you are referring to, or what propaganda on church signs you mean. Last church I looked at the outside of had service times outside, something with the name of the church, and not much else. If you mean the cross sign then that's purely telling people what type of building it is. Its a recognition thing, so far as I know. If you mean something else, you should elaborate.
I have no problem with jokes going 'close to the bone' in the right company. But I don't tell them to my kids, and definitely not to any old stranger I meet in the streets, just to prove I can express myself, just because 'I feel like it'. Wearing that T-Shirt is like telling every person you meet that same thing, whether they want to hear it or not.
Oh and by all means refer to my opinions on what I consider responsible parenting as 'dumb', if it helps reinforce your apparent perception that you are absolutely 100% right, and anyone who doesn't agree is dumb.
You asked for opinons, I'm giving you mine. If you don't value it thats fine, but I had thought you started this thread for reasons other than to be rebellious and hilight your freedom of expression. Apparently you had already made up your mind that censorship is always bad. I thought you wanted other's opinions because you were open minded on the issue. Apparently not.
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wow that was a mouth full.
this is about opinons yes and your opinion is valued. hell yours may even alter my perspective on the subject. the movie "the people vs larry flint" gave me an idea. walking into sunday mass at a local southern baptist church with hard core bible thumpers eveywhere with a shirt on saying "f**k this church".
when asked i just said the devil made me doit. it was fun. i was expressing what i felt without damage to life,limb,or property. hope that helps put my opinon in perpective. btw if i had a kid, they'd be there with me wearing the same shirt, if they wanted to go ofcourse
common use of bible text,among other text, in front of churches on marquee signs. i cant even get away from the oppression when driving alone in my car.
well your free to pick and choose what you want so say and when you want to say it. i agree on some level.
i am never 100% right on my opinions. i need people to dissagree, or it kinda losses its meaning. never feel anything when offended, its fuel for the fire. your experiance with parenting is
far mor substantial than my logic of it. i would be "dumb" not to know this from the start. but i was a kid once....
i am rebellious against censorship. but maybe some should be tolorated to protect the very thing im trying to protect.....lol i just learned that from you
more, i just assimilated that logic from you.
(thats really the point of this thread. as the rednecks say "light a fire under his a*s)