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Old 09-22-2007, 02:50 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Dear this is the Satan's work bringing doubts in the Hearts and Minds
You are assuming the existence of Satan, of which there is no scientific evidence. The evidence I have seen--such as absence of the Satan character in the Old Testament--suggests that Satan is a fictitious character rather than a real one.

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No where in the Quran a 24 hours day is mentioned in regards to creation of this universe. Quran says “ayyam” and does not articulate day and night or morning and evening just like Bible.

ayyam Means in Arabic Long Period !!!
From what I have read of the Quran, it also does not say "ayyam" means a long period of time. I know there is a Sura that says "to Allah a thousand years is like a day" (I can't remember the exact wording or the Sura number) but the Bible says that about Yahweh too. The subject of the verse is not the "ayyam" or "yom" in the creation story but how long God has existed. The verse does not show the "ayyam" in the creation story meant a long period of time.

In Hebrew, you would write "yom" with a preposition, such as "beyom", if you meant a long period of time and you would avoid writing it with a preposition if you meant 24 hours. In Genesis 1.1 through Genesis 2.3 the word "yom" is not with a proposition so the author meant 24 hours. In Genesis 2.4 you see "beyom," meaning a long period of time. (Genesis 2.4 talks about the first seven 24-hour days and later the many generations that descended from Adam and Eve. It is beginning a new part of the story.) Even if the author said nothing about day or night in Genesis 1.1-2.3, I could still find out what the author meant.

I cannot find any verses in the Quran that mention "ayyam" in the creation story as meaning a long period of time or 24 hours. I am also unable to find a good source of information on whether Arabic has rules like Hebrew in writing the word "ayyam". I have no way, at all, of knowing whether "ayyam" in the creation story meant a long period of time or 24 hours.

Let us suppose for the sake of argument, however, that it did mean a long period of time. What would that prove? It would prove nothing. One could divide any finite period of time into six parts (ayyam). The author of the text in the Quran could've thought 1,000 years or 10,000 years or even 13,500,000,000 years but you could say all of those time periods have six parts. Perhaps the author was clueless on how long the universe has existed, the author could've used six "ayyam" in this way also.

Saying there is an agreement between the Quran and science on how long the universe has been around is a claim that has no substance or value to it because the Quran could agree with any period of time. Overall, I am not impressed. Feel free to tell Dr. Zakir Naik that his reasoning was unpersuasive.

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The fact that they do not have accurate language in their books to explain things allows these preachers to interpret the words as they see fit. I've seen both Christians and now Islamics do it.
I agree.

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As far you are trying to Dis advance our Preaching alhamodlillah it is already Advanced no one shall accept your saying by your own Methods.
Could you reword this? I'm confused about what you're trying to say.

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I have a bit of a problem with the use of the word "scientific" in the title. "Literary" would be a more suitable word here.
I agree. I'm almost certain Dr. Zakir Naik knew "literary" would be more fitting, but apologists--whether Christian or Muslim--love to toss the word in. It's deceptive rhetoric.

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The newer of the two appears to borrow from the older book. In the borrowing, the anthologists (whoever they were) probably corrected a few things. In my opinion, this is acceptable practice.

It is not, however, proof that one book is superior to the other. Nor is it proof that either one is accurate, nor that it was authored or inspired by a supernatural being.
I agree.
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