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**The An-Jel** · 09-02-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by epicureious

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel

Well to target the Jews is easy as both epicurious and niranjan have stated above. If someone has no power other than the metaphysical and conviction then the people with physical power can easily persecute these people with ease. It seems that these were the efforts of say; the Nazi's during WWII. If the Jews had tanks and guns during the events before WWII then probably the holocaust would never have happened.

Israel is at the moment a case in point I think in this debate. They have the fire power and nukes on their side and they are still here. The Communists in China are still here, the Christians in America are still here, the Russians with all of their disassociative qualities are still here. Power, physical power, has a lot to say against the conviction of beliefs. God obviously does not intervene and any religion and culture can take that to the bank. After WWII the Jews are given a homeland, given the power to defend it, wow they are thriving. What does that say?

I'm guessing you're trying to say might makes right? Your examples span an entire 50 years. Looking at the past 5,000 Mark Twain said (not me):

"The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then . . . passed away. The Greek and the Roman followed. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what they always were, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of parts. … All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but they remain. What is the secret of this immortality?"

Yes and so has Christianity at the moment and so has actual Philosophy. Actual Philosophers have stood the test of time because even with people damning them they have survived and eventually as with all the brutal regimes they fall. Simple survival takes over and it isn't Jewish or Christian it is the spirit of the Universe as it is whether there is a God or not that pushes a human to carry on under the simple guidelines under which it was created.