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Old 09-01-2007, 04:30 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Default Nations come and go, but who remains?

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Originally Posted by The An-Jel View Post
Well to target the Jews is easy as both epicurious and niranjan have stated above. If someone has no power other than the metaphysical and conviction then the people with physical power can easily persecute these people with ease. It seems that these were the efforts of say; the Nazi's during WWII. If the Jews had tanks and guns during the events before WWII then probably the holocaust would never have happened.

Israel is at the moment a case in point I think in this debate. They have the fire power and nukes on their side and they are still here. The Communists in China are still here, the Christians in America are still here, the Russians with all of their disassociative qualities are still here. Power, physical power, has a lot to say against the conviction of beliefs. God obviously does not intervene and any religion and culture can take that to the bank. After WWII the Jews are given a homeland, given the power to defend it, wow they are thriving. What does that say?
I'm guessing you're trying to say might makes right? Your examples span an entire 50 years. Looking at the past 5,000 Mark Twain said (not me):

"The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then . . . passed away. The Greek and the Roman followed. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what they always were, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of parts. … All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but they remain. What is the secret of this immortality?"

Actually mentioning Niranjan, India/Tibet is the other long-lived civilization that has beaten their would-be conquerers back both with and without weapons, watching countries come and go over the past 5,000 years time.

There is a lot to be said for fighting wars from the moral high ground. It's possible to win with less fire power, or loose with more.
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