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Old 08-06-2007, 06:30 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Universe had a beginning. you say it did not. Tell me why and what does astrophysics say.
I do not say it lacks a beginning. I say that the notion of "Before" the beginning is gibberish. This is what general relativity seems to imply. Time dilates at a singularity. Causality breaks down and we don't have the first clue what the event means.. Just that everything seemed to be in the same place at the same time about 19 billion years ago.

Saying that "the universe must be caused" is expressing your lack of understanding of the properties of the cosmos. That is not necessarily a valid statement. It's more a provincial statement (i.e. from someone who only understands the way the world on earth works).

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Anyway, cause is outside time. this is possible as anything that is expanding is expanding into something.
Oh yeah? What is it expanding into then? what does it mean to be a CAUSE and also be OUTSIDE TIME... putting those words together like that is gibberish! It really is. Causality implies WITHIN TIME. That's what the WORD MEANS.
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