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Originally Posted by alexie  Do I (or anyone) believe in God? Yes, I do! Ok, I have, by your saying, been involved in science. |
Yes, but you have shown nothing other than the fact that you say that you believe in god. Gathering data is the first part of the scientific process. Observing. But this is nowhere near a conclusion of any type.
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This may or may not be true you say. So then you are saying science cannot prove anything to be right or wrong? (because you stated the answer to do you love someone may or may not be true.) But on the other hand you may be implying that you need more science to prove the survey you took about love, as you cannot prove it is true or not thus making the survey inadequate. Science at a basic level tests and proves things to be true or not. It can reproduce the same experiemtn or test and get the same results making something true and provable.
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This is full of the word "proof" which science does NOT deal with. Science does not ever prove. It only "fails to disprove." That's why the theory of evolution is called a theory even with the MASSIVE body of evidence supporting it. It has been refined. The scientific body of knowledge is chipped away at like a sculpture. You remove what is NOT true. That is the entire process of science. What remains is the truth, but it is never addressed directly. This is the essence of the non-dogmatic and self correcting approach of science and is the distinction between it and dogmatic myth based literalist religions.
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So I am still waiting for this measurement about love you mentioned that can show love in a scientific testable measurement that actually proves love exists and not some survey which you then mention cannot prove whether love is true or not. By the way you can use surveys for science but your example was far too simplistic and these surveys have many criteria and rules to make them scientific. These surveys measure tangible things that are observable and actually measurable.
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No. Science begins with observation. Asking someone if they love a thing is a measurement. It is fundamentally a measurement. That is the beginning of the scientific process. There need be no constraints at all. It is a piece of data.
As for surveys measuring tangible things... well this is just an expression of the gibberish your posts seem to be full of. What would you consider an exit poll during an election? Seems to me that its a survey of the public opinion towards candidates. Tangible? Hardly. Real? Yes. Materlialism and idealism are indistinguishable. You seem to be putting forward the notion that no systems can have behaviors.
You give me a definition for "love" that you're talking about and we'll talk about a way to provide evidence (not proof) of its existence. I am not a materialist or an idealist... I believe that those distinctions are useless.