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sisterX · 07-06-2007, 11:34 PM

See the problem I have with Jesus being the son of God who has been sacrificed for the salvation of mankind is this;

what exactly does 'son of God' mean?

Why would God punish an innocent person for the crimes of others as though he were guilty? Why would God do that when He is The Most-Just?

Why does God need someone to suffer like that?

Is it not true that Jesus did not tell anyone to take him as a god, or to worship him?

Mark 10:6-9 and John 14:20, 15:1-7, 17:11, 17:18-23, 17:26 There are many verses in the Bible that speak of Jesus and God as being "one".

But does this mean “I am God”? Jesus never once said “I am God” or “worship me”. When Jesus said that he is “one” with God, it cannot be taken literally because Jesus also talked about others being “one” with God he said “...they also may be one in us” and "...they may be one, even as we are one."

Matthew 18:23-34, Luke 19:11-21, and John 20:26-29 Many of Jesus' disciples referred to Jesus as "Lord". Even Jesus himself said that he is their Lord. But does this mean that he is their God? If so why? The word Lord is used in many other contexts. Here in England we have many “Lords” that doesn’t mean they are ‘gods’.

In Mark 10:17-18, it reads:
"As he [Jesus] was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, 'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone."

Why would Jesus say that if was indeed God? Why would he separate himself from God?

Also, when you talk about Jesus saying he was the son of God. This term was used extensively in the Old Testament too.
Job 1:6 says, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.” Also, in Job 38:7 it says, "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" These are in reference to angels who are created beings and the are not seen as being “literal” sons of God.

I will conclude by pointing out again, there is nowhere in the Bible which Jesus says either he is God or tells anyone to worship him.

And one more thing that I have not been able to get an answer for from christians;

If Jesus was God, why did he used to pray to "The Lord", if he was God who was he praying to?

07-06-2007, 11:34 PM	#9 (permalink)
sisterX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 625	See the problem I have with Jesus being the son of God who has been sacrificed for the salvation of mankind is this; what exactly does 'son of God' mean? Why would God punish an innocent person for the crimes of others as though he were guilty? Why would God do that when He is The Most-Just? Why does God need someone to suffer like that? Is it not true that Jesus did not tell anyone to take him as a god, or to worship him? Mark 10:6-9 and John 14:20, 15:1-7, 17:11, 17:18-23, 17:26 There are many verses in the Bible that speak of Jesus and God as being "one". But does this mean “I am God”? Jesus never once said “I am God” or “worship me”. When Jesus said that he is “one” with God, it cannot be taken literally because Jesus also talked about others being “one” with God he said “...they also may be one in us” and "...they may be one, even as we are one." Matthew 18:23-34, Luke 19:11-21, and John 20:26-29 Many of Jesus' disciples referred to Jesus as "Lord". Even Jesus himself said that he is their Lord. But does this mean that he is their God? If so why? The word Lord is used in many other contexts. Here in England we have many “Lords” that doesn’t mean they are ‘gods’. In Mark 10:17-18, it reads: "As he [Jesus] was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, 'Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?' Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." Why would Jesus say that if was indeed God? Why would he separate himself from God? Also, when you talk about Jesus saying he was the son of God. This term was used extensively in the Old Testament too. Job 1:6 says, "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.” Also, in Job 38:7 it says, "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" These are in reference to angels who are created beings and the are not seen as being “literal” sons of God. I will conclude by pointing out again, there is nowhere in the Bible which Jesus says either he is God or tells anyone to worship him. And one more thing that I have not been able to get an answer for from christians; If Jesus was God, why did he used to pray to "The Lord", if he was God who was he praying to? __________________ *"But as for me (I believe) that He is Allah, my Lord, and I shall associate none as partner with my Lord."* Surah Al-Kahf verse 38. Holy Quran Last edited by sisterX : 07-06-2007 at 11:48 PM.