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Old 06-11-2007, 02:14 PM   #22 (permalink)
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You have done alot of work Nir so here is my response.

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There is much good in hinduism. It produced the buddha itself. Buddhism, jainism and sikhism are sects of hinduism.

Vivekananda, mahatma gandhi, ramana maharshi, j.krishnamurthy, ramakrishna, krishna and other enlightened masters of India have influenced millions all over the world.

Raja ram mohan roy is a vedic scholar who put an end to sati.





I love challenges.

Here goes.....


Here are a few verses from the Quran that deals with terror.



1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

This is God talking about how HE wil punish disbelievers, not giving permission for muslims to instill terror. Muslims have no right to do such a thing. After all all non-muslims are potential muslims

2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

This is Jihad in self defence. Muslims are told not to be the oppressors but when opresses fight back in war against those who fight you. I have already given you verses which say that

3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

this is a wrong quotation, give me the correct verse and chapter please

4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat."

Again this is talking about the punishment in Hell not giving rigts to muslims to kill and slaughter anyone




5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."


Yes "those who make war with Allah and His messengers", notice it is not advising that the Muslims make war. Again self defence.


6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

Again I dont see any incitement to murder and slaughter non muslims, this is talking about the punishment of Hell.



7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."

Again a description of Hell

8. So when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush…. (Koran 9:5)

This verse has been taken out of context, you have to read the verses coming after it and put it into context

(Quran 9:6-7)
6. If one amongst the Pagans ask you for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.

7. How can there be a league, before Allah and His Messenger, with the Pagans, except those with whom you made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand you true to them: for Allah doth love the righteous.


This verse says if they fight you fight them, if they ask for assylum grant it.


The only punishment of those that wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut-off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned…. (Koran 5:33)

Again you have taken the verse out of context you have to read the verses before and after the verse.

33. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

34. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

35. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

These punishments are for those who punishe others in such a way.



9."Let not the believers take the disbelievers for friends rather than believers. And whoever does this has no connection with Allah unless it is done to guard (Takeyya) yourselves against them, guarding carefully. And Allah cautions you against His retribution. And to Allah is the eventual coming." (Koran 3:27)

the verse does not incite murder rape or terror, t simply says take believers as helpers and friends rather than disbelievers

10.Sura 47:4-6,15 "Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers (in fight), smite them at their necks.At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them).

This is when at war with disbelievers, why did you nit quote the full verse?
the full verse says:
4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.


11.Sura 61:4,11-13 "Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure ... that ye believe in God and His Apostle, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the cause of God, with your property and your persons. That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in gardens of eternity. That is indeed the supreme achievement. And another (favour will He bestow), which ye do love - help from God and a speedy victory. So give the glad tidings to the believers."

Yes fight to defend Islam not to oppress innocents

12.Sura 9:29-31 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Again those who fight you not innocents

13.Sura 5:54 "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust."

actually the right verse is 51 not 54. Where does it say kill them?
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