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Originally Posted by DeadJerusalem  I dont think the 2 are mutually exclusive.
If i was on a jury of a murder trial and all the evidence pointed the suspect being guilty i would say "yes, i believe he's guilty". But i also know that without access to a time machine there is no way for me to be 100% certain. If you're going to answer "i dont know" to every question that you can't be 100% certain of then that's going to be your answer for everything. |
Actually you're generalizing (and using really bad analogies
). Agnostics state they don't know not because we know there isn't a God. In fact agnostic belief is based on the FACT that we know you as an atheist can't prove there isn't a God and you as a theist can't prove there is. So in all actuallity agnostic belief is based more on fact than either other side.
I'm an agnostic. Do you think that means I say I don't know to everything in life? Not hardly.
Not to sound elitist but in this great argument over God's existance we are the middle ground. The voice of reason. We're totally separate from atheists who tend to lean far extremist in their views. In fact by the very definition of both we are polar opposites. The most simple way I can explain the division between atheists and agnostics is that atheists believe in absolutes. We do not.
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Originally Posted by Sandram75 In the same way I see tons upon tons of evidence that there is no god. But yes there is a chance i'm wrong. HOWEVER i think that chance is something like 0. (then a googolplex of 0's)1. Meaning, so small as to not be worth mentioning. |
Then congratulations my friend. You are an atheist
You see the same argument I use on christians I can use on you. (that fact alone should further define for you the seperation between atheists and agnostics).
The argument: You are an atheist. You believe there is nothing but tons of evidence against God's existance. It's all you can see. Yet deep down inside you know especially as a logical thinker that there is a chance you could be wrong. Yet you choose not to accept and embrace it because your steadfast belief that just because you can't see it it's not there won't allow you to. The same way christians feel when an atheist asks them a question about their religion they can't answer. It SHOULD make them realize their logic may be flawed but their faith in what they believe in won't allow them to.
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Originally Posted by Sandram75 I find the word "agnostic" to be rather meaningless. EVERYONE is agnostic. Hindus are agnostic towards the Judeo-Christian god, and vice versa. We just happen to be agnostic towards all of them. |
Yes I can see why you find it meaningless. It's quite obvious from this quote you don't actually know what it means
Hope my post helped you a bit.